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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 18, 2010 8:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead 'Women'

Who's the Lady with a Fan?

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 18, 2010 11:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead 'Women'

I know 99% of you know this, and maybe I'm just flappin my gums but:

On the studio album, "Lady With A Fan" is the title of the opening part of Terrapin Station. She's the girl who appears in the door in the fire and then throws her fan into the Lion's den.

The second side of the album consisted of 7 movements (am I using that word in the correct context?).

These were:
"Lady With a Fan" (Jerry Garcia, Robert Hunter)
"Terrapin Station" (Garcia, Hunter)
"Terrapin" (Garcia, Hunter)
"Terrapin Transit" (Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann)
"At a Siding" (Hart, Hunter)
"Terrapin Flyer" (Hart, Kreutzmann)
"Refrain" (Garcia, Hunter)

Lumped together they are commonly reffered to as "Terrapin Station"

On the album, there's no real indication of where one part starts and the other ends, although in listening you can determine some of them. In concert they played "Lady With A Fan"," Terrapin Station" and I think "Terrapin" and" Terrapin Transit". This is what we know as "Terrapin Station". On 3/18/77, the third time they performed it, they also played "at A Siding" and "Terrapin Flyer" which has been mislabeled as "Al Hambra"

http://www.archive.org/details/gd77-03-18.sbd.unknown.254.sbeok.shnf

This is the only time the Grateful Dead performed those last 2 movements. After Jerry's death Bobby played the entire suite on occasion with RatDog.

Another song with multiple titles was "That's It For the Other One":

That's It for the Other One" – 7:40
I. "Cryptical Envelopment" (Garcia)
II. "Quadlibet for Tenderfeet" (Garcia, Kreutzmann, Lesh, McKernan, Weir)
III. "The Faster We Go, The Rounder We Get" (Kreutzmann, Weir)
IV. "We Leave the Castle" (Constanten)

Again, there was no clear marking on the vinyl of a start or end to each section, but again, you can hear some of it. In concert, for most of their career, the band played (I think) sections II & III. in 1972 they switched to just playing, either (I think) "Quadlibet for Tenderfeet", "The Faster We Go, The Rounder We Get" (or it might be both), which was entitled "The Other One" on their Live self titled album sometimes referred to "as Skull And Roses" or "Skull Fuck" (which, as one story goes, is what the band wanted to call it, but it was vetoed by WB). From '67 to '71 they played the whole composition which was mislabeled (or relabeled I guess, seeing as that's the title used in DIck's Picks when it shows up) in shows as Cryptical Envelopment > The Other One > Cryptical Envelopment. This briefly re-appeared in '85.

As I understand it, (I seem to remember quote from Bobby that said this) the reason they gave this song so many titles was because, back then, their contract stated that they were to be paid by song, not by the completed work.

I never knew what quadlibet meant so here is a definition. Wikipedia says "A quodlibet is a piece of music combining several different melodies, usually popular tunes, in counterpoint and often a light-hearted, humorous manner. The term is Latin, meaning "whatever" or literally, "what pleases."" While it is misspelled on the title, I assume this was what they meant.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 21, 2010 2:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead 'Women'

I always wondered why on Hundred Year Hall they listed The Other One as Cryptical Envelopment. It did come out right after Jerry died, perhaps they wanted to give him extra songwriting credits on the release so his estate made more money. Or it was some kind of homage or something. Either way, I always found it odd.